Derivative in Maple

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#1 Posted: 12/5/2023 12:53:18 PM
Valery Ochkov

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Pendulum-D-t-0.png
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#2 Posted: 12/5/2023 1:38:18 PM
Вячеслав Мезенцев

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Ctrl+Shift+K.
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#3 Posted: 12/5/2023 10:44:09 PM
Valery Ochkov

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Wrote

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Can we solve this task with SMath + Mathcad
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#4 Posted: 12/6/2023 12:05:11 AM
Вячеслав Мезенцев

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Можно попробовать, если будет доступен оригинальный документ Mathcad.
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#5 Posted: 12/6/2023 12:55:01 AM
Valery Ochkov

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Можно попробовать, если будет доступен оригинальный документ Mathcad.



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#6 Posted: 12/6/2023 3:09:08 AM
Martin Kraska

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The definition of l(t) must be inside or above the Mathcad block

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#7 Posted: 12/6/2023 5:04:43 AM
Valery Ochkov

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My solution
Pendulum-Spring1.png
Pendulum-Spring2.png
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#8 Posted: 12/6/2023 5:15:14 AM
Valery Ochkov

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Animation needed
Pendulum-Spring2s.png
Pendulum-Spring3s.png
Pendulum-Spring70s.png

#9 Posted: 12/6/2023 7:57:07 AM
Jean Giraud

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Simple pendulum + animation.

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#10 Posted: 12/6/2023 12:49:26 PM
Alvaro Diaz Falconi

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Comparing with the usual elastic pendulum.


Click to enlarge


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#11 Posted: 12/6/2023 2:38:55 PM
Valery Ochkov

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See please the Fig. 4.10 here
http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/Ochkov-V-F-Engineering-Calc.pdf
Now I would like to rewrite this Russian-English book with SMath. Help me please!

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#12 Posted: 12/6/2023 8:02:42 PM
Valery Ochkov

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Why I have an error in this task? Help please!
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#13 Posted: 12/6/2023 9:27:58 PM
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More simple task
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#14 Posted: 12/7/2023 6:47:42 AM
Martin Kraska

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If F(t) is requested as result, you have to specify F'(t). k(F) is the tangential stiffness of the spring, the inverse of the tangential compliance.

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#15 Posted: 12/7/2023 1:03:36 PM
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#16 Posted: 12/7/2023 3:59:36 PM
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In this version you can specify the initial force in the spring. The initial conditions for x and y are adjusted appropriately.

Federpendel-NL.png
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#17 Posted: 12/8/2023 3:12:47 AM
Jean Giraud

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Your Mathcad Given/Odesolve ... solves via Maple.
Verhulst solves wrt limits ... pretty advanced.

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#18 Posted: 12/8/2023 5:06:15 AM
Alvaro Diaz Falconi

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The equations of motion, using Lagrange dynamics, from this post:

eqm.png

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#19 Posted: 12/8/2023 7:54:19 AM
Alvaro Diaz Falconi

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In this version you can specify the initial force in the spring. The initial conditions for x and y are adjusted appropriately. ...



A comparison between Martin's solution and that given by the equations of motion obtained from the Lagrangian. Spoiler: both give the same result.

I'd like to point out how incredibly complicated this problem actually is, and what a series of brilliant implementations Martin makes. For example, where the hell does he get the time derivative of the force on an elastic bar when he is given only the length of the bar as a function of the force? Obviously, it is not enough to apply the theorem of the derivative of the inverse function, but you also have to have a deep knowledge of the mechanics of the system to remember something called tangential stiffness, and although it uses k to represent it, we forgive it because It's German and they are well known to use their own abbreviations. Well, actually I don't know what letter to use, because I don't remember ever using that magnitude for any practical purpose, but in Spanish literature it is quite common to use k for its inverse, which is the constant that appears in Hooke's law. Or at least I think so, because the existence of elastic bodies is actually a complication, they should all be rigid better.

Another notable thing about this example is that I would like someone to please explain to me how the hell the Viacheslav plugin manages to handle l'(t) within the equations, because I honestly didn't expect it.

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#20 Posted: 12/8/2023 1:00:10 PM
Valery Ochkov

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Have you seen this plot
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Fig-5-Pendulum-Plot-7-Little.png
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