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#1 Posted: 2/18/2010 3:38:52 AM

When I updated to the newest version, I was unable to use the calc der feature
now it just shows d/dx without solving it
I'm doing the exact same thing as I did with the old version,
typing the equation, then selecting x, go to calc, differentiate
Am I doing something wrong -.-, or did it change in the new version?
Tested it on my laptop, pc, and phone, all had the same problem
Thanks
#2 Posted: 2/18/2010 7:50:19 AM
Do not understand, sorry
What do you mean by "calc"?
Choose the "Derivative" operator from the "Functions" pallete. In the version 0.87 just start typing "di" and you will have a list (Dynamic assistance feature). Choose "diff(2)" for derivative (with arrow down and CTRL+ENTER, SHIFT+ENTER or double click with the mouse), and you will get the same derivative template. Just fill the placeholders and pres CTRL+. for symbolic or = for numeric result.
[MATH]diff((2*x^2);x)—4*x[/MATH]
[MATH]x←5[/MATH]
[MATH]diff((2*x^2);x)=20[/MATH]
EDIT: I understand now, sorry again.
You just type
[MATH]2*x^2[/MATH]
Select the "x" and choose "Calculation->Differentiate". Then you will get the same like on your picture
[MATH]diff(2*x^2;x)[/MATH]
The first derivation over "x" is not calculated?. It is the same in this and few previous versions I tried, except in the version 0.85_3531 - it is working well (the calculation is performed). Therefore, it might be a bug? On the other hand there might be some more bugs. This is from 0.85_3531.
When I type
[MATH]4*x^3+5*x[/MATH]
And choose "Calculation->Differentiate", here is the result
[MATH]5+4*x^2+8*x^2[/MATH]
Then selecting this and choosing "Calculation->Simplify" will get this
[MATH]5+12*x^2[/MATH]
In spite of,
[MATH]diff((4*x^3+5*x);x)—5+12*x^2[/MATH]
Regards,
Radovan
What do you mean by "calc"?
Choose the "Derivative" operator from the "Functions" pallete. In the version 0.87 just start typing "di" and you will have a list (Dynamic assistance feature). Choose "diff(2)" for derivative (with arrow down and CTRL+ENTER, SHIFT+ENTER or double click with the mouse), and you will get the same derivative template. Just fill the placeholders and pres CTRL+. for symbolic or = for numeric result.
[MATH]diff((2*x^2);x)—4*x[/MATH]
[MATH]x←5[/MATH]
[MATH]diff((2*x^2);x)=20[/MATH]
EDIT: I understand now, sorry again.
You just type
[MATH]2*x^2[/MATH]
Select the "x" and choose "Calculation->Differentiate". Then you will get the same like on your picture
[MATH]diff(2*x^2;x)[/MATH]
The first derivation over "x" is not calculated?. It is the same in this and few previous versions I tried, except in the version 0.85_3531 - it is working well (the calculation is performed). Therefore, it might be a bug? On the other hand there might be some more bugs. This is from 0.85_3531.
When I type
[MATH]4*x^3+5*x[/MATH]
And choose "Calculation->Differentiate", here is the result
[MATH]5+4*x^2+8*x^2[/MATH]
Then selecting this and choosing "Calculation->Simplify" will get this
[MATH]5+12*x^2[/MATH]
In spite of,
[MATH]diff((4*x^3+5*x);x)—5+12*x^2[/MATH]
Regards,
Radovan
When Sisyphus climbed to the top of a hill, they said: "Wrong boulder!"
#3 Posted: 2/18/2010 3:47:30 PM
Actually, I was informed about this issue couple of days before and I've fixed it already. Please, wait for next version of SMath Studio (maybe current month).
#4 Posted: 8/24/2010 11:03:54 AM
First, I really enjoy and appreciate SMath Studio. I used to use Mathcad, but I really like your program a lot. Thanks so much for making it and sharing it with everyone!
Second, I wonder if perhaps I've run into the same bug? I defined a function as follows: f(q):= 75*q - 5/4*q^2. Then I asked for the derivative and the result the software gave me was: (4*(300 - 5*q) - 20*q) / 16. That's just plain wacky. Here's a screen capture to make it more clear:
Differentiation Error?
Does that seem as wrong to you as it does to me? Thanks in advance.
Second, I wonder if perhaps I've run into the same bug? I defined a function as follows: f(q):= 75*q - 5/4*q^2. Then I asked for the derivative and the result the software gave me was: (4*(300 - 5*q) - 20*q) / 16. That's just plain wacky. Here's a screen capture to make it more clear:
Differentiation Error?
Does that seem as wrong to you as it does to me? Thanks in advance.
#5 Posted: 8/24/2010 11:37:45 AM
Hello,
That is due to the symbolic engine of SMath. I do not know what is "under the hood" but the result is correct:
[MATH=eng]{4*(300-5*q)-20*q}/16[/MATH]
which equals to:
[MATH=eng]4*300/16=75[/MATH]+
[MATH=eng]{4*(-5*q)-20*q}/16—-{5*q}/2[/MATH]
that is
[MATH=eng]75-5/2*q[/MATH]
Symbolic manipulation of expressions is not quite available.
Regards,
Radovan
That is due to the symbolic engine of SMath. I do not know what is "under the hood" but the result is correct:
[MATH=eng]{4*(300-5*q)-20*q}/16[/MATH]
which equals to:
[MATH=eng]4*300/16=75[/MATH]+
[MATH=eng]{4*(-5*q)-20*q}/16—-{5*q}/2[/MATH]
that is
[MATH=eng]75-5/2*q[/MATH]
Symbolic manipulation of expressions is not quite available.
Regards,
Radovan
When Sisyphus climbed to the top of a hill, they said: "Wrong boulder!"
#6 Posted: 8/24/2010 12:48:48 PM
Ah, nuts. At first I did expect it to be in simplest form, but apparently I made an error in the simplification. Thanks for the correction.
#7 Posted: 8/24/2010 1:21:09 PM
WroteAh, nuts. At first I did expect it to be in simplest form, but apparently I made an error in the simplification. Thanks for the correction.
You are welcome. As far as I know, SMath has its own symbolic engine (Andrey would explain that better). For some time there is Xcas functionality available on portable systems in the form of plugin. I hoped that the same would be for the desktop systems as well. I think this would improve symbolic engine of SMath quite a lot. I realy do not know what hapened with it. I even do not know if this is still actual or not.
Regards,
Radovan
When Sisyphus climbed to the top of a hill, they said: "Wrong boulder!"
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