Hydraulic calculation of the pipeline

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#1 Posted: 11/6/2021 1:46:38 PM
Tolik

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Hello.
I just started to study the program on my own.
And I don’t know how to build dependency graphs V(Q), Re(Q), lambda(Q) and delta p1 (Q) (see the file).

Сan you help with advice?
Thanks in advance.

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#2 Posted: 11/6/2021 3:38:53 PM
Jean Giraud

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Сan you help with advice?


Maybe Colebrook will help to complete your document.
Cheers ... Jean.

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Tolik 11/6/2021 4:41:00 PM
#3 Posted: 11/6/2021 4:42:30 PM
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Thank you for the help
#4 Posted: 11/6/2021 4:49:50 PM
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Here is a tip to your projects.
SMath vector/matrix/array indexes start from 1, not 0.
That will cause problems on your worksheets.
If you are rewriting a page from mathcad or similar, keep this in mind.

Regards

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Tolik 11/7/2021 6:23:00 AM
#5 Posted: 11/7/2021 6:29:25 AM
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Thanks for the help.
I found another mistake.
Everything works now.
Now I'm trying to plot graphs...



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#6 Posted: 11/7/2021 8:16:26 AM
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Changed the code a little and built a variant of the graphs
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Tolik 11/7/2021 10:01:00 AM
#7 Posted: 11/7/2021 10:38:05 AM
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Changed the code a little and built a variant of the graphs
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Your solution is very beautiful
#8 Posted: 11/7/2021 10:39:02 AM
Jean Giraud

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I saved in my personal file.
Check Δp ... it looks bizarre.

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Tolik 11/7/2021 11:21:00 AM
#9 Posted: 11/7/2021 11:26:11 AM
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I saved in my personal file.
Check Δp ... it looks bizarre.

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Thank you, Jean. You're right
I understand.
Because Lambda is calculated using three different formulas.
Interpolation is also needed.
But overall the solution looks right.

Best regards, Tolik
#10 Posted: 11/7/2021 12:25:28 PM
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Interpolation is also needed.



Approximation in this case
#11 Posted: 11/7/2021 2:25:11 PM
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Thank you, Jean. You're right
I understand.
Because Lambda is calculated using three different formulas.
Interpolation is also needed.
But overall the solution looks right.
Best regards, Tolik



Nothing wrong to adapt third segment for a smooth junction,
or simply ignore for elongating 2nd segment.
Take care ... Jean.

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Tolik 11/8/2021 6:22:00 PM
#12 Posted: 11/8/2021 8:52:26 AM
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Thank you, Jean. You're right
I understand.
Because Lambda is calculated using three different formulas.
Interpolation is also needed.
But overall the solution looks right.
Best regards, Tolik


I think you should initialize λ1:=64
Δp interpolation is straightforward as given.
λ interpolation will surely need Thiele.
Please, let me know if you want λ interpolation.
Have a good day Kamarad ... Jean.
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Tolik 11/8/2021 6:22:00 PM
#13 Posted: 11/8/2021 12:21:01 PM
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I think you should initialize λ1:=64
Δp interpolation is straightforward as given.
λinterpolation will surely need Thiele.
Please, let me know if you want λ interpolation.
Have a good day Kamarad ... Jean.


All your data sets have been converted to scalar functions.
Thiele is exceptional for Lambda.
By observation, Delta P needs better adjusting
segment 1 and segment 2 ... refine 2/3 junction.
All that done, it remains specific as demo, is it ?
Cheers ... Jean.

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Tolik 11/8/2021 6:22:00 PM
#14 Posted: 11/8/2021 2:08:11 PM
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... project refined for your comments.
Have a good visit ... Jean.

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Tolik 11/8/2021 6:22:00 PM
#15 Posted: 11/8/2021 6:20:13 PM
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Sorry. I do not know the program well enough to properly evaluate your modifications and amendments.
You did a great job in my opinion.
In fact, the pressure will undergo two transitions.
The first transition: the destruction of the laminar flow and the appearance of the first large vortices.
The second transition: the core of the flow begins to touch the tops of the roughness of the pipe walls.
But I don't know exactly how they will affect the graph..
Yes, at this stage I needed to get a rough solution.

This is only the first section of the calculation of the system.
There are four of them.
Moreover, at the end, the pipeline has a branch. As a result, the solution is expected to be quite long.

Best regards, Tolik
#16 Posted: 11/8/2021 7:49:49 PM
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Moreover, at the end, the pipeline has a branch. As a result, the solution is expected to be quite long.
Best regards, Tolik



Perpendicular branches create singular losses.
Better conserve this refreshed version.
Nice project ... Jean.

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