Solving an eqaution

#1 Posted: 9/15/2021 10:22:58 AM

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Hello!
I have an equation (sphere and cubic Bézier curve intersection points): B(t) ⋅ B(t) = r², where dot means vector dot product.
B(t) is a cubic Bézier curve:
B(t) = (1 − t)³ ⋅ P0 + 3t ⋅ (1 − t)² ⋅ P1 + 3t² ⋅ (1 − t) ⋅ P2 + t³ ⋅ P3, 0 ≤ t ≤ 1
P0, P1, P2, P3 are some known points, к is some known value too.
Is it possible to solve this using SMath while keeping constants as letters?

#2 Posted: 9/15/2021 11:08:25 AM

Jean Giraud

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Please attach your Smath document.
Bézier/Hermite ... lot in Smath.
Cheers ... Jean.

#3 Posted: 9/15/2021 11:49:13 AM

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Please attach your Smath document.
Bézier/Hermite ... lot in Smath.
Cheers ... Jean.

https://ru.smath.com/cloud/sheet/ao2a4mLPSz
Well, not much in there, I don't know how to write the equation in it. I am new to SMath, and used only MathCAD a few times, like, 13-14 years ago...

#4 Posted: 9/15/2021 12:19:37 PM

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Please attach your Smath document.
Bézier/Hermite ... lot in Smath.
Cheers ... Jean.

https://ru.smath.com/cloud/sheet/ao2a4mLPSz
Well, not much in there, I don't know how to write the equation in it. I am new to SMath, and used only MathCAD a few times, like, 13-14 years ago...

"Error. There is no Worksheet found."

Please upload your sm file to any cloud service a share the link

Regards,

Oscar

#5 Posted: 9/15/2021 12:24:03 PM

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Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (10 KiB) downloaded 35 time(s).

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Please attach your Smath document.
Bézier/Hermite ... lot in Smath.
Cheers ... Jean.

https://ru.smath.com/cloud/sheet/ao2a4mLPSz
Well, not much in there, I don't know how to write the equation in it. I am new to SMath, and used only MathCAD a few times, like, 13-14 years ago...

"Error. There is no Worksheet found."

Please upload your sm file to any cloud service a share the link

Regards,

Oscar

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (10 KiB) downloaded 35 time(s).

#6 Posted: 9/15/2021 1:00:26 PM

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Please attach your Smath document.

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (10 KiB) downloaded 35 time(s).

You must use Symbolic evaluation to solve your equation, additionally, you can use some plugin for this task (in my case I used the Maxima plugin).
Please see attached file:

Sphere and Cubic.sm (215 KiB) downloaded 40 time(s).

#7 Posted: 9/15/2021 2:21:28 PM

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All those kind of symbolic solvings require either Maxima or Maple plugin as far as I know.
Every other smath solvers [solve(), roots(), FindRoot(), al_nleqsolve(), etc] are numerical solvers.
Could someone correct this statement if it is not true?

Regards

#8 Posted: 9/15/2021 2:33:35 PM

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All those kind of symbolic solvings require either Maxima or Maple plugin as far as I know.
Every other smath solvers [solve(), Roots(), al_nleqsolve(), etc] are numerical solvers.
Could someone correct this statement if it is not true?

Regards

yes, that's correct, you can check the description of solve(), roots(), al_nleqsolve(), etc on the Interactive SMath Handbook

#9 Posted: 9/15/2021 8:57:18 PM

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Hi. In the attached how to solve the problem numerically. Notice that B(t) must to be defined using vectorize, because SMath don't expand the scalar by vector products.

Sphere and Cubic.sm (8 KiB) downloaded 27 time(s).

Best regards.
Alvaro.

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#10 Posted: 9/16/2021 6:43:49 AM

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Please attach your Smath document.

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (10 KiB) downloaded 35 time(s).

You must use Symbolic evaluation to solve your equation, additionally, you can use some plugin for this task (in my case I used the Maxima plugin).
Please see attached file:

Sphere and Cubic.sm (215 KiB) downloaded 40 time(s).

There is missing «²» after second parentheses in your file. And I downloaded SMath and Maxima, but when I open your file, I get an error: «Cannot find maxima.bat».

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (3 KiB) downloaded 32 time(s).

#11 Posted: 9/16/2021 7:33:52 AM

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There is missing «²» after second parentheses in your file. And I downloaded SMath and Maxima, but when I open your file, I get an error: «Cannot find maxima.bat».

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (3 KiB) downloaded 32 time(s).

Please refer to Maxima plugin instructions, you can find here

#12 Posted: 9/16/2021 8:18:04 AM

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There is missing «²» after second parentheses in your file. And I downloaded SMath and Maxima, but when I open your file, I get an error: «Cannot find maxima.bat».

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (3 KiB) downloaded 32 time(s).

Please refer to Maxima plugin instructions, you can find here

OK, I've fixed the error, but now it says: «r is undefined». Sorry, it's really hard to understand what to do and I can't find any proper docs about it...

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (4 KiB) downloaded 31 time(s).

#13 Posted: 9/16/2021 8:43:30 AM

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I really don't get what's wrong now...

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (12 KiB) downloaded 40 time(s).

#14 Posted: 9/16/2021 9:40:26 AM

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I really don't get what's wrong now...

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (12 KiB) downloaded 40 time(s).

There is a missing "*"

#15 Posted: 9/16/2021 11:07:40 AM

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I really don't get what's wrong now...

Sphere and cubic Bezier curve intersection points.sm (12 KiB) downloaded 40 time(s).

There is a missing "*"

Thank you! But what should I do with «r is undefined»? 🤔

#16 Posted: 9/16/2021 11:12:25 AM

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Are you sure you are using the option "Symbolic Optimization"?

You must right-click over your equation, then choose Optimization-Symbolic

#17 Posted: 9/16/2021 11:40:06 AM

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Are you sure you are using the option "Symbolic Optimization"?

You must right-click over your equation, then choose Optimization-Symbolic

Thank you very much! It worked! However, the roots are so long... Not sure I can use them... Thanks anyway! 😊

#18 Posted: 9/16/2021 2:52:16 PM

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Hi. Notice that P0, ..., P3 are vectors with 3 components, not scalars. You can't get the distance with B(t).B(t) using P's as scalars.

Best regards.
Alvaro.

#19 Posted: 9/16/2021 8:16:44 PM

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I have an equation (sphere and cubic BÃ©zier curve intersection points):

Didn't see the sphere ?
Bézier is a 2 D plot
I don't understand your project, will leave.
You can project Bézier as surface plot on the sphere,
at this point, all 'N' are roots.
Enjoy/ignore ... Jean.

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#20 Posted: 9/16/2021 9:20:45 PM

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Didn't see the sphere ?
Bézier is a 2 D plot
I don't understand your project, will leave.
You can project Bézier as surface plot on the sphere,
at this point, all 'N' are roots.
Enjoy/ignore ... Jean.

Not related with topic. Nice example to Bezier however no relation with question.
Seeing Bezier in question doesn't mean you can search your files and post your first match Bezier example.

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