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#1 Опубликовано: 29.04.2010 21:25:35
Since Smath with units is out of the beta stage, I thought I would post these two problems/suggestions here:
First, please see the simple calculation in the screenshot below:

The results are in ksi*m^3. It would be great if there was some way to specify default units in Smath since I almost never use metric units, which would be the case for most engineers in the USA.
Second, when I attempt to change the units to lb*in (which is the desired unit in this case) I get the following result:

This result is unusable. Smath should allow the user to input the desired units (as long as it is consistent with the operations performed) and then recalculate the result based on the desired units.
Anyway, these improvements would be very welcome. The second improvement is far and away the most important because, as it stands now, I cannot use units in Smath because of this limitation.
First, please see the simple calculation in the screenshot below:

The results are in ksi*m^3. It would be great if there was some way to specify default units in Smath since I almost never use metric units, which would be the case for most engineers in the USA.
Second, when I attempt to change the units to lb*in (which is the desired unit in this case) I get the following result:

This result is unusable. Smath should allow the user to input the desired units (as long as it is consistent with the operations performed) and then recalculate the result based on the desired units.
Anyway, these improvements would be very welcome. The second improvement is far and away the most important because, as it stands now, I cannot use units in Smath because of this limitation.
Will Massie
Mechanical Engineer
Oregon, USA
#2 Опубликовано: 29.04.2010 22:17:52
You have not specified ksi unit. You should change the line "1*ksi:=1000*psi" to "ksi:=1000*psi".
#3 Опубликовано: 29.04.2010 22:30:22
WroteYou have not specified ksi unit. You should change the line "1*ksi:=1000*psi" to "ksi:=1000*psi".
Andrey,
Thank you for pointing that out.


and results after attempting to change unit to lb*in :

Will Massie
Mechanical Engineer
Oregon, USA
#4 Опубликовано: 29.04.2010 23:05:56
#5 Опубликовано: 30.04.2010 07:41:22
Will,
you are confusing mass units with force units.
Mass is a scalar, Force is a vector, and express completely different things
N is a force and in US units converts to lbf (pound force)
kg is a mass and in US units converts to lb (pound mass)
SMath is perfectly consistent with the units, fortunately, and by the way Mathcad behaves the same way.
Since you are dealing with a torque or bending moment, which in SI units is N m, (dimensionally equivalent to J, but physically different meaning), in your case you have to convert N m to lbf in, and not to lb in.
I tried in SMath and it works.
Of course I agree it would be nice to add an option to force default units in the results, but so far you'll need an additional manual work to express results in your archaic units :d .
(just kidding, don't want to start a US&UK vs Europe Flame)
you are confusing mass units with force units.
Mass is a scalar, Force is a vector, and express completely different things
N is a force and in US units converts to lbf (pound force)
kg is a mass and in US units converts to lb (pound mass)
SMath is perfectly consistent with the units, fortunately, and by the way Mathcad behaves the same way.
Since you are dealing with a torque or bending moment, which in SI units is N m, (dimensionally equivalent to J, but physically different meaning), in your case you have to convert N m to lbf in, and not to lb in.
I tried in SMath and it works.
Of course I agree it would be nice to add an option to force default units in the results, but so far you'll need an additional manual work to express results in your archaic units :d .
(just kidding, don't want to start a US&UK vs Europe Flame)
#6 Опубликовано: 30.04.2010 15:12:25
Wroteyou are confusing mass units with force units.
Ah, you are right!


Wrote
Of course I agree it would be nice to add an option to force default units in the results,
Yeah, it still would be great if the user could choose his own default units.
Will Massie
Mechanical Engineer
Oregon, USA
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