Double pendulum model and animation - Is the model correct? - Сообщения
Hi friends!
Now I am on the forum again!
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But the model is not correct. See please Alvaro model!
Now I am on the forum again!
Anime2.sm (55,59 КиБ) скачан 146 раз(а).

But the model is not correct. See please Alvaro model!
Отредактировано 30.10.2025 19:22:14
Russia ☭ forever, Viacheslav N. Mezentsev
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sergio 29.10.2025 14:50:17
Слава, а когда этот новая версия плагина появилась?
Hi. My approach to solving the double pendulum problem.

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Best regards.
Alvaro.

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Best regards.
Alvaro.
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Valery Ochkov 30.10.2025 07:45:32, Вячеслав Мезенцев 30.10.2025 09:13:40, sergio 30.10.2025 12:18:26
Triple pendulum - see errors at the second haft of time interval.
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Отредактировано 30.10.2025 19:39:16
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Alvaro Diaz Falconi 31.10.2025 05:05:16
Hi. Using pure SMath code to deduce the equations of motion from the Lagrangian, with the functions in this post: https://smath.com/en-US/forum/topic/AeeMSM/Using-differentials.

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Best regards.
Alvaro.

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Alvaro.
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WroteTriple pendulum - see errors at the second haft of time interval.
I no longer use Mathcad, except on rare occasions, when I rely on Mathcad version 11, which I consider the last decent version. So I can't see the triple pendulum file. And I suppose this is the situation for many SMath users who no longer have Mathcad readily available. But more than worrying about the conservation of energy, which seems to be a problem with the numerical method used, I'm more surprised to see how the future affects the past, since the animation shouldn't alter the trajectories already described by the particles as time passes.
This is my approach to the triple pendulum.


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Alvaro.
Отредактировано 31.10.2025 06:13:23
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Отредактировано 31.10.2025 07:38:52
WroteSee pls pdf
With those values:


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Alvaro.
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Valery Ochkov 31.10.2025 10:39:04
WroteWrote
I'm more surprised to see how the future affects the past, since the animation shouldn't alter the trajectories already described by the particles as time passes.
Best regards.
Alvaro.
For me too!
Alvaro, hi!
Is it posibble to solve the single pendulun problem with Lagrangian and rkfixed but without the al_nleqsolve function?
Is it posibble to solve the single pendulun problem with Lagrangian and rkfixed but without the al_nleqsolve function?
Отредактировано 05.11.2025 08:29:15
Hi Valery. For the single pendulum you can get the lagrangian from the olf post about differentials ( https://smath.com/en-US/forum/topic/AeeMSM/Using-differentials ) It's very simple and doesn't require much processing to use rkfixed.

For the double pendulum, you can use Newton-Raphson to solve the system within the function D. Here, a very simple version of the method is used.

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Something similar applies to the pendulum with a spring. Note that the Lagrange equations become somewhat complicated because I use the x,y coordinates to calculate the kinetic energy, and SMath cannot simplify trigonometric functions. However, if you use r, θ' (in green), the equations of motion are greatly simplified. But that breaks the principle that the program should do the calculations, not the user.

Best regards.
Alvaro.

For the double pendulum, you can use Newton-Raphson to solve the system within the function D. Here, a very simple version of the method is used.

double_pendulum_lagrangian-NR.sm (178,15 КиБ) скачан 103 раз(а).
Something similar applies to the pendulum with a spring. Note that the Lagrange equations become somewhat complicated because I use the x,y coordinates to calculate the kinetic energy, and SMath cannot simplify trigonometric functions. However, if you use r, θ' (in green), the equations of motion are greatly simplified. But that breaks the principle that the program should do the calculations, not the user.

Best regards.
Alvaro.
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Valery Ochkov 06.11.2025 05:16:18
WroteHi Valery. For the single pendulum you can get the lagrangian from the olf post about differentials ( https://smath.com/en-US/forum/topic/AeeMSM/Using-differentials ) It's very simple and doesn't require much processing to use rkfixed.
Alvaro.
Hi Alvaro!
Can you create this simple sm-file with animation? Single pendulum!
Thanks!
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